Continuing yesterday’s post, I’ve distilled the conversation we had about our G316 project at our Blogger Dinner down to a few main themes.
Retail Forthcoming?
One of the first topics centered around retail. Would this be a mixed use project? No surprises there— we’re big fans of mixed use and are itching to do more of this. At present, The Gallery is the only project that is situated with the right zoning according to the city’s master plan for the neighborhood, which has slated 3rd streets (where the Ziggurat and CalStyrs are located) and C Street as the retail strips. Based on our own research of this, we’d have a pretty hard battle ahead to get the city to change zoning laws in this neighborhood, especially since commercial requires even more parking, which is something we’re really trying to minimize in our existing projects.
But, regardless the point is valid: this neighborhood will need more retail if its going to become a thriving, healthy, walkable, urban community. Without enough diverse retail, Washington will simply become an urban bedroom community.
So, while we haven’t completely ruled out taking on this challenge with existing projects, we also think our resources might be better spent exploring opportunities to acquire parcels that already lend themselves to a retail use. We do know of 4-5 proposed retail projects, all within 4 blocks of each project; most, if not all, of these projects appear to be some kind of restaurant use. While this doesn’t necessarily translate to the self-contained Urban Village concept, it’s a start.
Also, as this neighborhood ages, the first floor studio flats facing G street on this project could fairly easily be converted to retail use: salons, stationary, clothing, etc. Maybe by that time, the prevailing perspectives on parking will have changed and be more accommodating. Who knows how peak oil will change cities priorities…
Where to Put the Bikes
Being bicycling enthusiasts ourselves, this theme was quite welcome. We’ll be looking at ways to maximize storage and/or include lockers. Accessibility and visibility (security) were articulated as considerations for location of bike storage. Small living space means that every square foot is precious: finding ways to keep the bikes secure and accessible without requiring bikes to be brought into the unit will be one of the issues we’ll be trying to tackle.
Death to the Community Center
So, we quickly axed the community center after some pretty resounding feedback that it wouldn’t really get used and would be a waste of resources. An apt comparison was made to college dorm community rooms: places where you never quite feel comfortable going because you never know if someone else is using it and wants privacy—the space feels contrived or somehow “artificial.” In contrast, a corner café or sandwich shop offers much more added value to most residents and much more natural as a hang-out space. Which brings us back to the retail dilemma…
In the aftermath of the community room’s demise, we’re now brainstorming what to use that space for. Hot tub? Private BBQ pads? A solar heated lap pool? Something exercise or recreation-related? Or just a nicely (xeri)-landscaped area.
What sounds like a cool use of open space to you?
Size Does Seem to Matter
What we think we heard was that while some buyers might like the bare-bones 600 sq. ft. units, more people are likely to want a bit more space. Based on the general feedback that it could be too risky to build too many of the 630 sq. ft. flats, we’re looking turning more second floor units from studio flats to flats with a Bedroom mezzanine by just popping up the roof.
Here’s what we had before
(1) 540 sf
(21) 630 sf
(8) 800 sf
(4) 1000 sf
Here’s what we’re now thinking
(1) 540 sf
(14) 630 sf
(15) 800 sf
(4) 1000 sf
One interesting unexpected insight we gleaned from this part of the discussion centered around the inclusion of an extra ½ bath. Several people articulated how they’d like to have a bathroom that guests could use apart from their personal bathroom and this seemed to resonate with the rest of the group; some even said they wouldn’t even consider a unit that didn’t have at least 1 ½ bathrooms, especially in a flat this small where the boundaries between private and non-private spaces get blurred. We think we can figure out how to add a ½ bath and we’ll be looking at making this change.
Demographics, Schlemographics
Singles. With such small units and only 1 bedroom, the group said that we’d be selling mostly to singles. Some felt that there would be some couples that might be interested in the mezzanine flat, since its nice to have a little buffer space when you are living with someone else.
Some pointed out that this type of product could have some appeal to the baby boomer demographic who is now looking to downsize and minimize. Also, the collegiate Davis demographic was mentioned as having a natural fit with our eco-urban values.
We didn’t dig very far into the income level, which I wish now we had since our overarching goal was to ensure a mixture of incomes in the neighborhood. One perspective I recall however was that, if indeed these units were more appealing to singles, they would probably be in a higher income bracket (ie. single young professional or downsizing baby boomer). We need to do some research on this to know more. If it proves to be the case, it might put some holes in our strategy to hit a more accessible price point by decreasing unit size. Of course, much could also depend on the mortgage industry, interest rates at the time these are for sale. Also, when it comes to looking at the health of this neighborhood over time, its difficult to predict demographic changes to a neighborhood.
Again, as peak oil hits and the value for real estate in the urban core goes up, the difference in incomes may simply be a division between for sale and for rent. At present, most of the residents in this neighborhood are for-rent but many of these properties will not likely last through the next decade and will likely be purchased and redeveloped. We’ve looked at this project as a potential for-rent project as a means of bringing more accessible housing into the urban core but haven’t been able to figure out how to make it pencil. At present, it looks like the costs would translate into rental prices that we don’t think the neighborhood is currently ready for, but this also could change as we dig deeper.
Another topic that caught our ear were the implications of building a for-sale project that by virtue of the small unit size would translate into “transitional” housing. We heard that if there weren’t enough units with “growing space,” people wouldn’t be able to see themselves living in the units for very long. People would either simply choose not to buy or would buy with the expectation to sell in a few years when their needs have outgrown the space. Is this kind of turnover healthy? Is this any different than “for rent”? Something for us to consider…
Name for the Project
We didn’t present this as a topic, but presently, the name “effica” is getting bounced around. Based on “efficacious”– having the ability or power to produce a desired effect.
Any positive or negative associations?
Do speak up. We’re making these kinds of efforts to get some creative, thoughtful dialogue around the projects in the hopes that answers and issues we’re not currently exploring come to the surface.
Jason








8 responses so far ↓
1 wburg // Jul 27, 2007 at 4:48 pm
It brings to mind someone trying to spell out “eff you see kay,” but that’s just where my mind goes.
Mixed use has been a dirty word in development and city planning circles for so long that it is going to take a long time to get over. The idea that if you put neigborhood-serving retail in a residential neighborhood, people will walk there instead of driving, is kind of alien and flies in the face of city-based equations of parking spaces required per X amount of retail space. Proximity to transit is also a key item: if you look at Sacramento’s old retail corridors (J, K, 15th, 10th, 15th, 28th) they are almost universally on an old streetcar line. Especially if we re-introduce the idea of the store delivery van (once commonplace, now rare.)
My own experience with a “transitional space” sized home, going from a 731 sf one-bedroom to my current gargantuan 930 sf 1/13 acre palace, was a positive one: it gave us the opportunity to learn how to live in a house (rather than an apartment) without leveraging us into too much debt or proving too much of a home-maintenance challenge. When, after five years, we decided we wanted (not needed, but wanted) more space, we moved. And according to our old next-door neighbors, the new owner is also a first-time home buyer who has already fallen in love with the house and is enjoying the new homeowner experience.
While there are circumstances where it might not be enough space (such as the first-time homebuyer couple who already have a kid, or one on the way) it seems like there is a need for a starter/transitional home market, as long as the neighborhood doesn’t contain too many of them. And if a neighborhood is successful and enjoyable to live in, people will be more interested into moving to more suitable spaces in the same neighborhood: moving because they want to, not because they have to. The element of consumer choice vs. economic necessity is part of what marks a good neighborhood.
2 Steve // Jul 27, 2007 at 11:30 pm
1. Effica is cool. Sort of juggling symantics here, but instead of “efficacious” as the inspiration, I prefer the noun form, “efficacy” (meaning “the power to produce an effect). The adjective form has a little too much Bill and Ted’s innuendo.
2. Mixed-use and selling price points = tough conundrum. If you guys aren’t able to provide hip, affordable, low-impact housing, who can?
3. It would be cool if you could pair up with a local non-profit to facilitate underserved community involvement at the cafe (summer job, meeting space, etc…); plus, think of a place like the old true love… great spot for community leaders to conduct meetings and carry out community org activities.
3 Steve // Jul 27, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Hey,
Some are kinda goofy, but check out these custom bike racks:
http://www.dero.com/custom.html
4 Schwags // Jul 28, 2007 at 1:19 am
Thanks for the bike rack link Steve – now we can have the biggest Brontosauras in West Sac! (They have a dinosaur rack.) I’ve been looking into bike lockers too and they are pretty pricy at around $700 a bike minimum – but I think we will need them here.
One of the best ways to get some retail in is purchase some of the existing houses in the commercial corridor on 3rd St. Since they are so much less expensive than new construction and lend themselves to interesting shops we think this may be the way to go! One of our interior designers already made the plunge and bought one along 3rd St that could be a great spot like True Love!
5 Chris Minnick // Jul 30, 2007 at 7:19 pm
The blogger dinner was a blast, and I’m looking forward to the next one.
I’m glad to see that someone is taking my large Brontosaurus idea seriously. West Sac needs a new landmark/monument. A very large statue of a dinosaur that actually did once roam the western U.S. makes a lot more sense than an ancient mesopotamian temple. It would also tie in nicely with the great old motel signs in West Sac.
6 Jason // Jul 31, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Chris, going with the dinosaur theme, we could name the neighborhood Jurassic Village or maybe the simpler but classic Bedrock. Each project could have its own large lizard to reflect diversity of species. I can hear the radio jingle…Oh give me a home where the Brontosaurs roam, where the deer and the Maiasaura play…
wburg: i think you nailed it when you said, “as long as the neighborhood doesn’t contain too many of them” (starter/transitional units) and I think there’s truth to the concept of people moving around in the same neighborhood.
Steve/wburg: Effica is getting a re-think…two others have surfaced: bricolage and ‘zine
7 wburg // Aug 1, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Yolo County does have a history with public dinosaurs: witness the saga of Dixie the Dinosaur, which once greeted I-80 travelers near Dixon:
http://www.frankwu.com/dixie1.html
“Bricolage” is neat. “‘Zine” is only good if you actually produce a zine.
On a totally aside aside, a friend of mine in the insurance business started out with the name “Bedrock Insurance” partially because it was catchy, partially because with a B he’d be near the start of the alphabetical listing of insurance dealers in the yellow pages. He regularly got callers to his office who would yell “YABBA-DABBA-DOOO!!” and hang up.
8 jason // Aug 1, 2007 at 1:05 pm
yabba-dabba-doo reminded me of the 90210 days (shudder) when I got giggling calls asking to talk with Jason Priestley. Before that, it was Elvis. I preferred the latter, shoo-manah, baby.
and that Dixie the Dinosaur site brought be back to age 10, when all things kitsch were oh so very outlandishly cool and we didn’t know to call it “kitsch”
regarding ‘zine: yeah, i actually had thought that some kind of real ‘zine would flow out of the project, but that was before I jumped back into reality. too many fun projects, too little time. plus, it would run the risk of seeming inauthentic…
i think ‘zine has been scratched.
bricolage however still has some potential, although Vanessa said it sounded like “decoupage with bricks” and I thought it might drum up a sub-conscious association with “break a leg” for those of us who are phonetically-challenged.
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